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Fucking bee 01 by alexiuss Fucking bee 01 by alexiuss
+fav this to support the fight for artists rights.

Tired of getting bullshit offers from big companies with "eventual recognition" or "eventual payment" in the years to come.

Artists, don't undervalue your work! If a company asks you to work for less than 10 dollars an hour, tell them to go draw it themselves or give them this comic! Stop lowering your own market price value.

Always ask whom the copyright of the image belongs to, after its done!
Don't sell out the rights to your art for little profit!
Always demand to maintain the right to publish/sell the image yourself!
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Arulein Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2013
this came back around in my random faves and I just wanted to say, STILL FAVE because, well, unfortunately it's still a thing.
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Killrave Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013   General Artist
That's hilarious! I did a blog entry once also to this subject matter.
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Sachi-pon Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
haha awesome.
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LanaLambert Featured By Owner May 16, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
Omg, I love this so hard.
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theinfinitee Featured By Owner May 12, 2012  Student Interface Designer
Great, and true!!!! Unfortunately this is our everyday reality. Many people are unfair in their buisness relationship, trying to use our creativity, skills, ideas thninking that it's something easy just "two clicks with the mouse".
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splendidTrust Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2012   General Artist
haha, that's just great :) though i didnt get any messages like those but i dont like when people don't give required attention to creators, notonly their works.
some people (often those who cannot draw) tend to think we draw cose it is so easy for us, like we don't actually put time and any effort. they easily steal it for their facebook and other accounts, critisize while they cannot make even this and so on...
i also saw some groups about sharing cool pics and stuff and only few people who took the pictures for wallpapers etc actually were curious who did them to follow their DA and such. really sad how much people don't value work of others.
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hetaliallover101 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Wow..X3
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glassdragon42 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, this is hilarious in the comic but sad in real life. You have a very good point.
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J4B Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I had a good laugh from this one. It is true though.
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BunnySin Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2011
nice.
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ShadyShads Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2011
Couldn't agree more.
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kekereke Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
same shit everywhere i see (:
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lordinear Featured By Owner May 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
fking funny xD
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Myselfsama Featured By Owner May 2, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Hey Alexius since you know alot about the whole rights stuff, can you do a journal or a tutorial of sorts explaining how to properly do Commissions? What to expect,what to do/what not to do. The whole thing about the rights to the image. I dont really know alot about this kind of stuff and I'm sure thousands of others don't know either.
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CeithneR Featured By Owner May 1, 2011
I enjoy Fucking Bee. It may just make it up there with The Oatmeal.
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Antaria-Nova Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2011
Fame is a valuable asset, but not a resource.

I'm sure plenty of ppl would give away something for free if some celebrity they like comes into their store.
Not saying everyone would, but plenty of ppl.

I know I WOULDN'T, but that's just me.

Good comic.

Hope that point it contains pokes a hole in the eyes of some ppl who would offer "eventual recognition" as payment.
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pwned-by-twilight Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2011
... This hits me. Right here. Such true words, yo.
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rafak9 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Sir, yes sir!
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avalonavalon Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2011
lol awesome!
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CrimzonAeternis Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2011
Man, that is the frickin' truth! If I had a nickle for every time. . .

BTW: I was wanting some art done for my website, and although I cannot pay you, I figured. . . .
JUST KIDDING! ! ! :lol:
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Centercity Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2011
Anyone who would demand money or fame for their art are no artist, nor is their product art. If you wonna make money from what you are doing, fucking take the small underpayed jobss first, then MAYBE you will be able to make money from it, it is like music. Art is art. Respect what you make instead of seeing it as work.
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JazzMasterSaddler Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2011
So wait. If someone goes to an artist and says "Draw this for me, but I'm not gonna pay you.", they should do it anyway? I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the music industry, but as far as business goes, no person does a service without compensation. Every person with a service to offer, including artists, have a right to charge a fee for that service. I don't recall the deviation saying that people shouldn't take smaller jobs so long as there is pay in it, but rather that it seems that those that aren't into visual art expect those who are to do things for them for no compensation at all. Last I checked, notoriety doesn't pay the bills or put food on the table. I personally have never heard of a band playing a gid without some form of pay, even if it is small time.

On a secondary note, some jobs that rely on visual art such as game illustration, design of most any kind, or working with advertisements frown on the small time underpaid jobs because it makes the designer/illustrator look like they aren't worth the money, and sometimes that's all people have is their art because they have no other skills. If their dream is to be a game illustrator, then why is it wrong and makes them less of an artist to want only top pay for their hard work and college earned skill?

Alphonse Mucha of the Art Nouveau era was primarily a commercial artist. His art is world renowned and inspires many artists even to this day, and he started with freelance art, as in, getting PAID for his work. He didn't do work for others for free, and eventually he moved up by moving from one major company to the other, painting posters for their ads. He was one of the greats in the art world, and he GOT PAID for his brilliant work even BEFORE he died. Most famous artists never got to see their art get somewhere like that. He did.

Weather it be for pride or pay, any artist has a right to compensation for their work without being called less of an artist, and without their art being anything less than art. Just because they make money from it doesn't mean they don't enjoy it any less or put any less effort or value into each piece.
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VampireMF Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2011   Digital Artist
Well then instead of working in underpaid work we should do it for ourselves or for practise?
Underpaid work is a no-no. It makes us designers look bad.
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ForeverEndsNever Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2011
i agree though i am a poet and not a physical artist. keep your work copyrighted, and dont let anyone take advantage of you
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The13thZomber Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
It's difficult not to agree with that... :+fav:
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Ookawa-Issui Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I'd like to reinforce the sentiment of the 'independent' writer's point of view in this; which I have seen in a few responses to this image, but is mostly drowned out in the responses that are taking this at completely face value for the only side of this sort of situation. I will preface my point with another -- I feel it is well within the artists rights to demand payment for their work, and especially so in the case of commissions, even in people who commission multiple things from you as you have no attachment to the subject matter. I also believe that 'out of the blue' writers with 'I have this idea you should draw for it' are not something you should just blindly jump into, nor should the writer expect this of you; but any writer that sincerely wants to work with you and share their world and creations with hope of collaboration, shouldn't be treated like some sort of plague.

This comic was funny, and I think it has a good intention behind it (as well as some frustration) and a fair amount of truth; but I honestly think that artists should realize they share the same boat with writers most of the time when it comes to this sort of situations, and that most writers that aren't already published or have some sort of ongoing thing such as web comic to fund an artist up front, don't often if at all have spare cash to be flinging around. If they are to put something up front for you and everything else they are likely making some sort of investment beyond their means (possibly far beyond) in hope of the slim chance of success; and some times the sentiment from artists is just that 'Yes, it is all on you, good luck'; which is in a word 'disheartening'.
I understand the concept of any venture requiring some risk, but requiring a single person in a partnership or team of people to bare the entirety of the risk and always being read to drop them as soon as you see a dip in income is incredibly biased.

I think this is why many things such as web comics are drawn by the writer or done by a writer and artists (and sometimes a separate coloring person as well) who are committed to a partnership that will succeed and both have a vested interest in the project's creative direction. Not just a writer that has and idea and a artist with the mindset of 'I'm with you until the first time I don't get a weekly check'; because honestly that just has the feeling of a failed project from the start because the two individuals don't honestly give a shit about the other outside of their usefulness to each other.
I constantly search for artists not only for skill, but for the one that will be just as interested in creating the world and the story of the comic as I am; and that I am just as interested in bringing the world and characters to life through art as they are. Because if we don't both care about the entirety of our and each other's work, no one really has any interest in working with each other, just their own.

In essence I think what I am saying is that the concept of collaboration does not just exist within the community of artists, but is viewed generally as completely acceptable; why is the concept of collaboration between a artists and writer so laughable to artists? The respect factor does indeed function both ways, and if it doesn't, failure is inevitable.

/long winded rant over

Respectfully; Good day, sirs/ma'ms
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Kamikaye Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2011
Lol Ive seen all these mails :)
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BarkingSpiders Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2011
This is amazing!

irl I get quite a bit of this and it drives me nuts! Eventually just start dishing out prices to the bands and stuffs saying that you'll start when you see they got a check in hand with a pen in the other. It worked and now i gots dough! <3 ...which normally gets spent on more oil paints and canvas and will never make it onto the DA account. xP

but yeah... good luck with the idiots out there who don't realize that art is hard as shit to make (and takes just as much work (if not more) than someone playing football. Another moral: don't let snobby sports people tell you that making art isn't 'working'. >n> )
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Scaleless Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
so much truth it hurts
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star-bunny-honeybee Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
ITS SO TRUE!
its like my dad, hes a artist too and there are people/companies that are like "we can't pay you now and blah blah blah but you will be recognized" It don't work that way! :icongermanyplz:
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Evaded Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
Totally agree, awesome end comic by the way. I love the tuna thing XD
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RyleyLP Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
100% of the world is stupid=true fact :D


ok maybe not or maybe it is? :iconicameplz:
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mixxi90 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2011  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
hmmm i got a great idea for a comic..... XD XD joke joke:P (i do have an idea, but thats something else XD)
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thaLadyNeko Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
this reminds me of clientsfromhell.net - lots of examples on artists and graphic-illustrators with bad experiences ... :(
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TheMobiusMan Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2011
And this is what it looks like when Vitaly doesn't use reference photos.
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plastikmaniac Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011  Student General Artist
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SilvaraDragon Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011
I love this comic because I think the message is very empowering to artists.
But I also think that it's very easy for you to say because you are already very well known. For someone who's trying to get their name out there and get recognized so they could even start to get offers like that, it's really hard to be righteous.
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zestytengu Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. ;]
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XagroS Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
nice hhahaahahhaahahahahahha .... i didnt know stick figures can make me laugh
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Numbe-Del-Cielo Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
very good point...
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SwitchVale Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011
So true, and then I saw this flowchart and it just made everything all the better =D
[link]
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mjranum Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011
In return for "eventual payment" do "eventual work"!!!

"This album cover will be completed 1 year after you sell 1,000 copies. Until then, here's a placeholder" :D
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Mister-Denial Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
This comic really did me laugh loud (thanks!!!), and so did your reply about the placeholder! Brilliant stuff! XD
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EBENEWOOD Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011   General Artist
:laughing: you couldn't do better!
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Shernshern Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011
Thanks for the advise. You are right.
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MJWilliam Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
Ha ha, too true.
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klar Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011  Professional Traditional Artist
What I don't get are writers who think you want to illustrate dozens of pages of their stupid scripts for free with promises of like 10% profits... there are several parts I don't get, one of them being the fact that it can take days of work to finish a single page, also the idea that "it's not like you'd have to colour it or anything" makes conceptualization and layout a trivial, effortless ordeal, and also the fact that WRITERS seem to think they are somehow inherently better at writing than people who draw, and that there's no way an artist might prefer doing speculative work for their own stories before attempting to help some random asshat with their mary sue fanfic...
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JazzMasterSaddler Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2011
Your comment is amazing~
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shadow-otm Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011
Yeah, and there are plenty of people that beg and suck-up to try to grab freebees.

Now I have tried a few times in the past to inquire with some people about doing a comic, though never pushed strangers to do anything for free. I have had someone tell me their cost before, and I just kinda scratched my head. I get everyone's time and work has value to it, but some people have given me the impression that if a writer wants to do a webcomic they have to pay for a site, maintain it all their own, and pay an artist upfront for everything with no guarantee, and then the writer has to hope that their payment and time well end with some sort of recognition. So not all artists are completely innocent themselves... And I'm sure we've all seen someone that tries to charge a crazy amount for a half-assed art piece as well...
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graceoris Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2011
LOL! :D You are perfectly right.
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