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Journal Entry: Tue Apr 3, 2012, 1:22 AM
ZIS SEXY ARTICLE MAY BE OF RELATIVE INTEREST TO YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LATEST NEWZ OF NINJA TURTLES LOOSING THEIR TEENAGE AND MUTANT TITLES:
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ALSO THE QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE ARTICLE MAY NEED YOUR ANSWERINGS.

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AdramelechBlackFlame Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! THE TEENAGE AND MUTAMT BITS WERE THE ONLY BITS THAT GAVE IT RELATIVE CREDABILITY! THEY NOT ALIENS!
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lexyoh Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2012
no longer mutants but that is what the whole story pretty much revolved around. now it wont be good and the new ninja turtles look took gory for me.
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anthropomorphiccanin Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
WHY MUST HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED BAY RUIN MY CHILDHOOD ICONS! FIRST TRANSFORMERS AND NOW THIS?! WHAT NEXT BY?! ARE YOU GOING TO DESTROY RA TOO?!?!

i'll bet hes the one who broke your computer...
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Eleeveen Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Student Filmographer
Well, I finally submitted my blabbering facade of answers for the questions, though I won't repost them here. If anyone is interested, they're here [link] . :P

Honestly, I'm horrible at staying up to date on things, so I hadn't even heard about the whole TMNT issue. Oy vey... Seems to be quite the mess.
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MetaCynth Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This will probably date me but:
It was called Ooze... I'm pretty sure they explained where it came from and how it turned the turtles into Mutants in the movie "The Secret of the Ooze." If memory serves correct it was a canister of toxic waste from one of those crazy experimental technology research plants or similar. This is strictly from the movies. I don't really remember what the cartoon explained, but there were plenty of lifeforms that were not entirely earth like that the turtles had to battle. I think some were even from alternate universes. I don't even know about the comics, but I believe they had a completely different origin story....

Regardless of plot devises, I think it's rather ingenious of the studios to spread rumors that cause outrage or interest in the already existing fan base. It's like they purposed this to raise awareness and interest in the show. Honestly if it weren't for everyone talking about how their childhood was being ruined on facebook and other mediums (such as dA) I wouldn't have even known there was a movie coming out.
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TheDarkestRaven1608 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Oh my.. Well, I grew up on TMNT (and other things, including the ol' marvel shows).

I usually avoid remakes, but I guess that if they don't overdo it, I might get over it.

Questions to answer? D: Maybe later.
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FaultyFae Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
meh. If they change canon, then I just look at it like a slightly-alternate universe and carry on.
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DemonShinoKami Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
Ah no they're my heroes from when I was a kid!
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ZenatheZee Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were part of my childhood.

I tend to avoid remakes. They have a bad habit of raping said childhood.
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MotorRoach Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
The government will likely be involved in Michael Bay's movie, that's just how he rolls, and I don't like it.
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DanchuPichu Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ugh, no Mass Effect 3 spoilers! lol, I haven't bought the game yet TT_TT
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Yondercat Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
DO NOT get me started on the ninja turtles again. I am not okay with Michael Bay changing the turtles to aliens! :rage:
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Anark-mana Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think that it was only the goo he was making alien.
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Yondercat Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
I guess we'll find out when it comes out?
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Zarak342 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
I decided not to read the article when I found out it was about ME3's ending, to avoid possible spoilers.
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aips Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Student General Artist
The fact that while reading Romantically Apocalyptic I can also comment and be part of that whole thing that is not ONLY comic, has made it and experience better that just reading a comicbook that is alreday made wholy and just given out. I have had the chance to even chat with the author and with contests and him publishing fanart on his page, I feel more like a part of the fenomen than just a reader. Its like a happening where all his readers and him and the other artists are together going trough a "journey" and all can contribute somehow. Its much more fun, intelligent, interesting and better entertainment (its not just entertainemnet anymore!!) than anything you could have done before. Sometimes tho, I wich he didn't do TOO much what the audience suggests, I'd like it to keep the feel he gives it himself!
To any artist: Stay good, stay yourself, and don't loose your own opinion to the opinions of the fans! Keep doing YOUR art! But thanks for listening :)
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Enyare Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
Very interesting article. Loved the featured art ;) I actually had no idea about the TMNT debate - I have not watched that show since I was a child - but I have played all the Mass Effect games so I will answer in accordance with that.

1) As a reader or viewer (of movies, TV shows, videogames, art, etc.) do you feel a sense of entitlement giving you the right to not only criticize but actually demand changes be made to a disappointing work?

No, I would not say I am entitled to make demands. I personally think most people are too demanding these days. Constructive criticism, however, is always fair game. I would never dream of writing the creators of Mass Effect senseless and destructive hate mail over a game I had no hand in literally creating, but I think fair criticism should be expected. If I chose to express my hope that BioWare would consider revisiting or expanding upon the ending, I would call that fair. Demanding a better ending? Not fair.

2) Do you feel this entitlement is based in your great investment of both money and time in the work? Or do you feel this entitlement is based in your great investment of your head and heart in a particularly resonant storyline?

I will answer this in a slightly different manner since I said I don't feel "entitled". I did find myself very emotionally invested in the Mass Effect series. To me, the ending was heart-breaking. I didn't slip into a depression for a week after, but I definitely shed my share of tears and had to wonder why the writers thought that end fitting. I never found myself thinking, "I paid $60 for a game with a crummy ending!?" I was distressed because I had hoped for an ending with closure and did not feel I received any.

4) As an online reader of Knite, Romantically Apocalyptic, or Off-White, is there an increased value or special connection you experience in being able to connect with the authors of your favorite works-in-progress and contribute your feedback?

I do read Romantically Apocalyptic and enjoy it immensely. While I almost never give feedback on DA (I am here solely to view and enjoy), I like knowing I have to option to give feedback should I want to. The thing I love most about DA is being able to see what the artist writes in the description. I almost always read those, and I am continually amused, amazed, intrigued, etc. by what I see there. It's so unlike visiting an art museum, where most of the artists are long dead and completely inaccessible. I like feeling that connection to the artists here in DA.

5) If you played ME3, how did you feel about the ending?

There may be some vague *SPOILERS* in this reply, so beware.

I was not happy with it. I went into the third game with no idea how BioWare would end it. I figured things could go just about any way.. in fact, I assumed, based on the previous games, that the ending would be vastly different depending upon choices made throughout the entire series. I was sorely disappointed to find that wasn't so. I feel like the series started at one point and then diverged out in a V-shape. Anything within that V was possible. Then the ending abruptly pulled back in to a point where the entire story converged. While I know it may be entirely possible that BioWare intended to show that some things are just out of our control, they had repeatedly promised vastly different endings that would take all our choices into account. I don't see why they would suddenly change their minds and then expect all of the fans to be happy. To me, the ending was a betrayal of the story in one fundamental way: the entire rest of the series had carried the theme of perseverance in the face of adversity. Overcoming the odds. I managed to achieve the "best" ending, but I didn't get the feeling I had overcome much of anything. On the contrary, I kinda felt like I got my butt kicked because I had no idea what kind of galaxy the ending had created. Like I said, I felt no sense of closure. The large handful of plot holes didn't help either. I guess that's my opinion in a nutshell. Brilliant series; poorly thought-out ending.
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HappyBlueNeo Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I don't see how they could change the TMNT title to them being aliens... they never were aliens. They were literally turtles that became mutated from some sort of radioactive(?) muck in the sewers if I remember correctly... And they sure as heck weren't from outer space
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Cartagia Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Not sure if the answers want to go here but couldn't find anywhere on the site to answer them, so..! XD

1. As a reader or viewer (of movies, TV shows, videogames, art, etc.) do you feel a sense of entitlement giving you the right to not only criticize but actually demand changes be made to a disappointing work?

I think that ultimatly ownership of the creativity belongs to the author - the vision is their own and they shouldn't feel oblidged to betray that vision (the reader does not -always- have the right ideas, just because they want something to happen, doesn't mean in the grander scheme of things that it should). However the author does have an obligation, if their desire is to be popular and well-read by people, to make sure that their vision remains true. Afterall, the very core of their work (be that plot or character or something else) is why people began to read it in the first place. If the reader feels promised something (as was the case with ME3) that was not then delivered, then the author should be well aware that they might be unhappy. It's a careful balance. I don't feel that an author should give in to a reader's demands just because but should make careful considerations on the feedback they recieve, and use their own judgement to decide what to do about it. A reader should also respect the author's ownership and right not to make changes.

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2. Do you feel this entitlement is based in your great investment of both money and time in the work? Or do you feel this entitlement is based in your great investment of your head and heart in a particularly resonant storyline?

A little of both.


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4. As an online reader of Knite, Romantically Apocalyptic, or Off-White, is there an increased value or special connection you experience in being able to connect with the authors of your favorite works-in-progress and contribute your feedback? Does the ability to offer comments, suggestions, criticisms, and encouragement bond you creatively to a property in a way eclipsing passive fandom?

Absolutly! It gives a special feeling, it makes you love the work more, because you feel closer to it. Even just knowing that the author does read all feedback given...it brings that human connection to a work. It also keeps the work in your mind more than just as a passive observer of it - being able to comment, to give the author your feedback (good or bad) and see other people's comments adds that level of interactivity that gives you as a reader more of an invested interest in the story. Even if the author still does follow their vision, that's fine, and I would personally prefer them not to give in to every demand - but a little fanservice goes a long way.
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vralok Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
no they have done it they destroyed it! damn you all to hell (the ones who came up making them being aliens)
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C-Conztantine Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2012
i have heard of that...they are aliens there...
THEY RUIN MAH CHILDHOOD ;W; IT WAS MY FAVORITE PROGRAM since little , after watching ninja tutrles, I always wanted to test pizza with whipped cream....
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